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Asked: May 18, 20262026-05-18T23:18:23+00:00 2026-05-18T23:18:23+00:00

I need to reference a model’s self in a :has_many declaration. I have a

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I need to reference a model’s self in a :has_many declaration.

I have a class we will call Foo. Foo :has_many Bar. Foo has a boolean attribute called randomize that determines the order of the the Bars in the :has_many relationship. If randomize is true, then they are ordered by “RAND()” or “RANDOM()” depending on the DB. If not, they are ordered by id. I HAVE to make this declaration on the association because I am using eager loading. I am well-aware that I can define a method in Foo that returns what I want, but I need to have everything loaded at once or else 400-500 queries are run individually = bad.

class CreateFoo < ActiveRecord::Migration
  def self.up
    create_table :foos do |t|
      t.string :name
      t.boolean :randomize, :default => false
    end
  end
end

 

class CreateBar < ActiveRecord::Migration
  def self.up
    create_table :bars do |t|
      t.string :name
      t.references :foo
    end
  end
end

 

class Bar < ActiveRecord::Base
  belongs_to :foo
end

 

class Foo < ActiveRecord::Base
  # this is the line that doesn't work
  has_many :bars, :order => self.randomize ? 'RAND()' : 'id'
end

How do I access properties of self in the has_many declaration?

Things I’ve tried and failed:

  1. creating a method of Foo that returns the correct string
  2. creating a lambda function
  3. crying

Is this possible?

The problem seems to be that the “self” in :has_many ISN’T of type Foo:

undefined method `randomize' for #<Class:0x1076fbf78>

is one of the errors I get. Note that its a general Class, not a Foo Object… Why??

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    2026-05-18T23:18:23+00:00Added an answer on May 18, 2026 at 11:18 pm

    Turns out Ryan Bates has touched on a simliar topic here in a Railscast. You need to define the scope AFTER the method…

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