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Asked: May 13, 20262026-05-13T18:12:35+00:00 2026-05-13T18:12:35+00:00

A situation I have under Windows XP (SP3) has been driving me nuts, and

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A situation I have under Windows XP (SP3) has been driving me nuts, and I’m reaching the end of my tether, so maybe someone can provide some inspiration.

I have a C++ networking program (non-GUI). This program is built to compile and run under Windows, MacOS/X, and Linux, so it uses select() and non-blocking I/O as the basis for its event loop.

In addition to its networking duties, this program needs to read text commands from stdin, and exit gracefully when stdin is closed. Under Linux and MacOS/X, that’s easy enough — I just include STDIN_FILENO in my read fd_set to select(), and select() returns when stdin is closed. I check to see that FD_ISSET(STDIN_FILENO, &readSet) is true, try to read some data from stdin, recv() returns 0/EOF, and so I exit the process.

Under Windows, on the other hand, you can’t select on STDIN_FILE_HANDLE, because it’s not a real socket. You can’t do non-blocking reads on STDIN_FILE_HANDLE, either. That means there is no way to read stdin from the main thread, since ReadFile() might block indefinitely, causing the main thread to stop serving its network function.

No problem, says I, I’ll just spawn a thread to handle stdin for me. This thread will run in an infinite loop, blocking in ReadFile(stdinHandle), and whenever ReadFile() returns data, the stdin-thread will write that data to a TCP socket. That socket’s connection’s other end will be select()’d on by the main thread, so the main thread will see the stdin data coming in over the connection, and handle "stdin" the same way it would under any other OS. And if ReadFile() returns false to indicate that stdin has closed, the stdin-thread just closes its end of the socket-pair so that the main thread will be notified via select(), as described above.

Of course, Windows doesn’t have a nice socketpair() function, so I had to roll my own using listen(), connect(), and accept() (as seen in the CreateConnectedSocketPair() function here. But I did that, and it seems to work, in general.

The problem is that it doesn’t work 100%. In particular, if stdin is closed within a few hundred milliseconds of when the program starts up, about half the time the main thread doesn’t get any notification that the stdin-end of the socket-pair has been closed. What I mean by that is, I can see (by my printf()-debugging) that the stdin-thread has called closesocket() on its socket, and I can see that the main thread is select()-ing on the associated socket (i.e. the other end of the socket-pair), but select() never returns as it should… and if it does return, due to some other socket selecting ready-for-whatever, FD_ISSET(main_thread_socket_for_socket_pair, &readSet) returns 0, as if the connection wasn’t closed.

At this point, the only hypothesis I have is that there is a bug in Windows’ select() implementation that causes the main thread’s select() not to notice that the other end of the socket-pair has closed by the stdin-thread. Is there another explanation? (Note that this problem has been reported under Windows 7 as well, although I haven’t looked at it personally on that platform)

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    2026-05-13T18:12:35+00:00Added an answer on May 13, 2026 at 6:12 pm

    Just for the record, this problem turned out to be a different issue entirely, unrelated to threading, Windows, or stdin. The actual problem was an inter-process deadlock, where the parent process was blocked, waiting for the child processes to quit, but sometimes the child processes would be simultaneously blocked, waiting on the parent to supply them with some data, and so nothing would move forward.

    Apologies to all for wasting your time on a red herring; if there’s a standard way to close this case as unwarranted, let me know and I’ll do it.

    -Jeremy

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