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Asked: May 14, 20262026-05-14T21:14:16+00:00 2026-05-14T21:14:16+00:00

According to the book Programming Clojure refs manage coordinated, synchronous changes to shared state

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According to the book Programming Clojure refs manage coordinated, synchronous changes to shared state and atoms manage uncoordinated, synchronous changes to shared state.

If I understood correctly “coordinated” implies multiple changes are encapsulated as one atomic operation. If that is the case then it seems to me that coordination only requires using a dosync call.

For example what is the difference between:

(def i (atom 0))
(def j (atom 0))

(dosync
  (swap! i inc)
  (swap! j dec))

and:

(def i (ref 0))
(def j (ref 0))

(dosync
  (alter i inc)
  (alter j dec))
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    2026-05-14T21:14:17+00:00Added an answer on May 14, 2026 at 9:14 pm

    Refs are coordinated using… dosync! Dosync and refs work together, dosync isn’t magical and knows nothing of other reference types or side effects.

    Your first example is equivalent to:

    (def i (atom 0))
    (def j (atom 0))
    
    (do ; <--
      (swap! i inc)
      (swap! j dec))
    
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