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Asked: May 26, 20262026-05-26T20:59:11+00:00 2026-05-26T20:59:11+00:00

Applying Orthogonalize[] once: v1 = PolyhedronData[Dodecahedron, VertexCoordinates][[1]]; Graphics3D[Line[{{0, 0, 0}, #}] & /@ Orthogonalize[{a,

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Applying Orthogonalize[] once:

v1 = PolyhedronData["Dodecahedron", "VertexCoordinates"][[1]]; 
Graphics3D[Line[{{0, 0, 0}, #}] & /@
  Orthogonalize[{a, b, c} /.
    FindInstance[{a, b, c}.v1 == 0 && (Chop@a != 0.||Chop@b != 0.||Chop@c != 0.),
     {a, b, c}, Reals, 4]], Boxed -> False]

enter image description here

And now twice:

Graphics3D[Line[{{0, 0, 0}, #}] & /@
  Orthogonalize@Orthogonalize[{a, b, c} /.
    FindInstance[{a, b, c}.v1 == 0 && (Chop@a != 0.||Chop@b != 0.||Chop@c != 0.),
     {a, b, c}, Reals, 4]], Boxed -> False]

enter image description here

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    2026-05-26T20:59:12+00:00Added an answer on May 26, 2026 at 8:59 pm

    I also assumed it would be a numerical error, but didn’t quite understand why, so I tried to implement Gram-Schmidt orthogonalization myself, hoping to understand the problem on the way:

    (* projects onto a unit vector *)
    proj[u_][v_] := (u.v) u
    
    Clear[gm, gramSchmidt]
    
    gm[finished_, {next_, rest___}] := 
     With[{v = next - Plus @@ Through[(proj /@ finished)[next]]}, 
      gm[Append[finished, Normalize@Chop[v]], {rest}]
     ]
    
    gm[finished_, {}] := finished
    
    gramSchmidt[vectors_] := gm[{}, vectors]
    

    (Included for illustration only, I simply couldn’t quite figure out what’s going on before I reimplemented it myself.)

    A critical step here, which I didn’t realize before, is deciding whether a vector we get is zero or not before the normalization step (see Chop in my code). Otherwise we might get something tiny, possibly a mere numerical error, which is then normalized back into a large value.

    This seems to be controlled by the Tolerance option of Orthogonalize, and indeed, raising the tolerance, and forcing it to discard tiny vectors fixes the problem you describe. Orthogonalize[ ... , Tolerance -> 1*^-10] works in a single step.

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