Sign Up

Sign Up to our social questions and Answers Engine to ask questions, answer people’s questions, and connect with other people.

Have an account? Sign In

Have an account? Sign In Now

Sign In

Login to our social questions & Answers Engine to ask questions answer people’s questions & connect with other people.

Sign Up Here

Forgot Password?

Don't have account, Sign Up Here

Forgot Password

Lost your password? Please enter your email address. You will receive a link and will create a new password via email.

Have an account? Sign In Now

You must login to ask a question.

Forgot Password?

Need An Account, Sign Up Here

Please briefly explain why you feel this question should be reported.

Please briefly explain why you feel this answer should be reported.

Please briefly explain why you feel this user should be reported.

Sign InSign Up

The Archive Base

The Archive Base Logo The Archive Base Logo

The Archive Base Navigation

  • SEARCH
  • Home
  • About Us
  • Blog
  • Contact Us
Search
Ask A Question

Mobile menu

Close
Ask a Question
  • Home
  • Add group
  • Groups page
  • Feed
  • User Profile
  • Communities
  • Questions
    • New Questions
    • Trending Questions
    • Must read Questions
    • Hot Questions
  • Polls
  • Tags
  • Badges
  • Buy Points
  • Users
  • Help
  • Buy Theme
  • SEARCH
Home/ Questions/Q 1048957
In Process

The Archive Base Latest Questions

Editorial Team
  • 0
Editorial Team
Asked: May 16, 20262026-05-16T16:32:20+00:00 2026-05-16T16:32:20+00:00

As a programmer, I have bought whole-heartedly into the TDD philosophy and take the

  • 0

As a programmer, I have bought whole-heartedly into the TDD philosophy and take the effort to make extensive unit tests for any nontrivial code I write. Sometimes this road can be painful (behavioral changes causing cascading multiple unit test changes; high amounts of scaffolding necessary), but on the whole I refuse to program without tests that I can run after every change, and my code is much less buggy as a result.

Recently, I’ve been playing with Haskell, and it’s resident testing library, QuickCheck. In a fashion distinctly different from TDD, QuickCheck has an emphasis on testing invariants of the code, that is, certain properties that hold over all (or substantive subsets) of inputs. A quick example: a stable sorting algorithm should give the same answer if we run it twice, should have increasing output, should be a permutation of the input, etc. Then, QuickCheck generates a variety of random data in order to test these invariants.

It seems to me, at least for pure functions (that is, functions without side effects–and if you do mocking correctly you can convert dirty functions into pure ones), that invariant testing could supplant unit testing as a strict superset of those capabilities. Each unit test consists of an input and an output (in imperative programming languages, the “output” is not just the return of the function but also any changed state, but this can be encapsulated). One could conceivably created a random input generator that is good enough to cover all of the unit test inputs that you would have manually created (and then some, because it would it would generate cases that you wouldn’t have thought of); if you find a bug in your program due to some boundary condition, you improve your random input generator so that it generates that case too.

The challenge, then, is whether or not it’s possible to formulate useful invariants for every problem. I’d say it is: it’s a lot simpler once you have an answer to see if it’s correct than it is to calculate the answer in the first place. Thinking about invariants also helps clarify the specification of a complex algorithm much better than ad hoc test cases, which encourage a kind of case-by-case thinking of the problem. You could use a previous version of your program as a model implementation, or a version of a program in another language. Etc. Eventually, you could cover all of your former test-cases without having to explicitly code an input or an output.

Have I gone insane, or am I on to something?

  • 1 1 Answer
  • 0 Views
  • 0 Followers
  • 0
Share
  • Facebook
  • Report

Leave an answer
Cancel reply

You must login to add an answer.

Forgot Password?

Need An Account, Sign Up Here

1 Answer

  • Voted
  • Oldest
  • Recent
  • Random
  1. Editorial Team
    Editorial Team
    2026-05-16T16:32:21+00:00Added an answer on May 16, 2026 at 4:32 pm

    A year later, I now think I have an answer to this question: No! In particular, unit tests will always be necessary and useful for regression tests, in which a test is attached to a bug report and lives on in the codebase to prevent that bug from ever coming back.

    However, I suspect that any unit test can be replaced with a test whose inputs are randomly generated. Even in the case of imperative code, the “input” is the order of imperative statements you need to make. Of course, whether or not it’s worth creating the random data generator, and whether or not you can make the random data generator have the right distribution is another question. Unit testing is simply a degenerate case where the random generator always gives the same result.

    • 0
    • Reply
    • Share
      Share
      • Share on Facebook
      • Share on Twitter
      • Share on LinkedIn
      • Share on WhatsApp
      • Report

Sidebar

Related Questions

I am trying to be a good programmer and have unit tests for my
Scala programmer should have known that this sort of writing : class Person{ var
I'm not a C++ programmer and have difficulty understanding the explanations given on websites.
Since I'm not an Php programmer I have to ask you, I have to
I have a programmer who is using VB and LINQ; and I have a
I have another programmer who I'm trying to explain why it is that a
I am a C# programmer but I have to work with some VB.Net code
Hi all fellow programmer I'd like to have a separate js file for each
As a hardcore WinForms programmer from a Win32 background I have always used Spy++
I have an issue and NO it is not homework, it's just a programmer

Explore

  • Home
  • Add group
  • Groups page
  • Communities
  • Questions
    • New Questions
    • Trending Questions
    • Must read Questions
    • Hot Questions
  • Polls
  • Tags
  • Badges
  • Users
  • Help
  • SEARCH

Footer

© 2021 The Archive Base. All Rights Reserved
With Love by The Archive Base

Insert/edit link

Enter the destination URL

Or link to existing content

    No search term specified. Showing recent items. Search or use up and down arrow keys to select an item.