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Asked: 2026-06-18T04:15:19+00:00

For a few days I’ve been working on this problem and I’m stuck …

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For a few days I’ve been working on this problem and I’m stuck …

I have performed a number of Monte Carlo simulations in R which gives an output y for each input x and there is clearly some simple relationship between x and y, so I want to identify the formula and its parameters. But I can’t seem to get a good overall fit for both the ‘Low x’ and ‘High x’ series, e.g. using a logarithm like this:

dat = data.frame(x=x, y=y)
fit = nls(y~a*log10(x)+b, data=dat, start=list(a=-0.8,b=-2), trace=TRUE)

I have also tried to fit (log10(x), 10^y) instead, which gives a good fit but the reverse transformation doesn’t fit (x, y) very well.

Can anyone solve this?

Please explain how you found the solution.

Thanks!

EDIT:

Thanks for all the quick feedback!

I am not aware of a theoretical model for what I’m simulating so I have no basis for comparison. I simply don’t know the true relationship between x and y. I’m not a statistician, by the way.

The underlying model is sort of a stochastic feedback-growth model. My objective is to determine the long-term growth-rate g given some input x>0, so the output of a system grows exponentially by the rate 1+g in each iteration. The system has a stochastic production in each iteration based on the system’s size, a fraction of this production is output and the rest is kept in the system determined by another stochastic variable. From MC simulation I have found the growth-rates of the system output to be log-normal distributed for every x I have tested and the y’s in the data-series are the logmeans of the growth-rates g. As x goes towards infinity g goes towards zero. As x goes towards zero g goes towards infinity.

I would like a function that could calculate y from x. I actually only need a function for low x, say, in the range 0 to 10. I was able to fit that quite well by y=1.556 * x^-0.4 -3.58, but it didn’t fit well for large x. I’d like a function that is general for all x>0. I have also tried Spacedman’s poly fit (thanks!) but it doesn’t fit well enough in the crucial range x=1 to 6.

Any ideas?

EDIT 2:

I have experimented some more, also with the detailed suggestions by Grothendieck (thanks!) After some consideration I decided that since I don’t have a theoretical basis for choosing one function over another, and I’m most likely only interested in x-values between 1 and 6, I ought to use a simple function that fits well. So I just used y~a*x^b+c and made a note that it doesn’t fit for high x. I may seek the community’s help again when the first draft of the paper is finished. Perhaps one of you can spot the theoretical relationship between x and y once you see the Monte Carlo model.

Thanks again!

Low x series:

      x          y
1   0.2 -0.7031864
2   0.3 -1.0533648
3   0.4 -1.3019655
4   0.5 -1.4919278
5   0.6 -1.6369545
6   0.7 -1.7477481
7   0.8 -1.8497117
8   0.9 -1.9300209
9   1.0 -2.0036842
10  1.1 -2.0659970
11  1.2 -2.1224324
12  1.3 -2.1693986
13  1.4 -2.2162889
14  1.5 -2.2548485
15  1.6 -2.2953162
16  1.7 -2.3249750
17  1.8 -2.3570141
18  1.9 -2.3872684
19  2.0 -2.4133978
20  2.1 -2.4359624
21  2.2 -2.4597122
22  2.3 -2.4818787
23  2.4 -2.5019371
24  2.5 -2.5173966
25  2.6 -2.5378936
26  2.7 -2.5549524
27  2.8 -2.5677939
28  2.9 -2.5865958
29  3.0 -2.5952558
30  3.1 -2.6120607
31  3.2 -2.6216831
32  3.3 -2.6370452
33  3.4 -2.6474608
34  3.5 -2.6576862
35  3.6 -2.6655606
36  3.7 -2.6763866
37  3.8 -2.6881303
38  3.9 -2.6932310
39  4.0 -2.7073198
40  4.1 -2.7165035
41  4.2 -2.7204063
42  4.3 -2.7278532
43  4.4 -2.7321731
44  4.5 -2.7444773
45  4.6 -2.7490365
46  4.7 -2.7554178
47  4.8 -2.7611471
48  4.9 -2.7719188
49  5.0 -2.7739299
50  5.1 -2.7807113
51  5.2 -2.7870781
52  5.3 -2.7950429
53  5.4 -2.7975677
54  5.5 -2.7990999
55  5.6 -2.8095955
56  5.7 -2.8142453
57  5.8 -2.8162046
58  5.9 -2.8240594
59  6.0 -2.8272394
60  6.1 -2.8338866
61  6.2 -2.8382038
62  6.3 -2.8401935
63  6.4 -2.8444915
64  6.5 -2.8448382
65  6.6 -2.8512086
66  6.7 -2.8550240
67  6.8 -2.8592950
68  6.9 -2.8622220
69  7.0 -2.8660817
70  7.1 -2.8710430
71  7.2 -2.8736998
72  7.3 -2.8764701
73  7.4 -2.8818748
74  7.5 -2.8832696
75  7.6 -2.8833351
76  7.7 -2.8891867
77  7.8 -2.8926849
78  7.9 -2.8944987
79  8.0 -2.8996780
80  8.1 -2.9011012
81  8.2 -2.9053911
82  8.3 -2.9063661
83  8.4 -2.9092228
84  8.5 -2.9135426
85  8.6 -2.9101730
86  8.7 -2.9186316
87  8.8 -2.9199631
88  8.9 -2.9199856
89  9.0 -2.9239220
90  9.1 -2.9240167
91  9.2 -2.9284608
92  9.3 -2.9294951
93  9.4 -2.9310985
94  9.5 -2.9352370
95  9.6 -2.9403694
96  9.7 -2.9395336
97  9.8 -2.9404153
98  9.9 -2.9437564
99 10.0 -2.9452175

High x series:

              x         y
1  2.000000e-01 -0.701301
2  2.517851e-01 -0.907446
3  3.169786e-01 -1.104863
4  3.990525e-01 -1.304556
5  5.023773e-01 -1.496033
6  6.324555e-01 -1.674629
7  7.962143e-01 -1.842118
8  1.002374e+00 -1.998864
9  1.261915e+00 -2.153993
10 1.588656e+00 -2.287607
11 2.000000e+00 -2.415137
12 2.517851e+00 -2.522978
13 3.169786e+00 -2.621386
14 3.990525e+00 -2.701105
15 5.023773e+00 -2.778751
16 6.324555e+00 -2.841699
17 7.962143e+00 -2.900664
18 1.002374e+01 -2.947035
19 1.261915e+01 -2.993301
20 1.588656e+01 -3.033517
21 2.000000e+01 -3.072003
22 2.517851e+01 -3.102536
23 3.169786e+01 -3.138539
24 3.990525e+01 -3.167577
25 5.023773e+01 -3.200739
26 6.324555e+01 -3.233111
27 7.962143e+01 -3.259738
28 1.002374e+02 -3.291657
29 1.261915e+02 -3.324449
30 1.588656e+02 -3.349988
31 2.000000e+02 -3.380031
32 2.517851e+02 -3.405850
33 3.169786e+02 -3.438225
34 3.990525e+02 -3.467420
35 5.023773e+02 -3.496026
36 6.324555e+02 -3.531125
37 7.962143e+02 -3.558215
38 1.002374e+03 -3.587526
39 1.261915e+03 -3.616800
40 1.588656e+03 -3.648891
41 2.000000e+03 -3.684342
42 2.517851e+03 -3.716174
43 3.169786e+03 -3.752631
44 3.990525e+03 -3.786956
45 5.023773e+03 -3.819529
46 6.324555e+03 -3.857214
47 7.962143e+03 -3.899199
48 1.002374e+04 -3.937206
49 1.261915e+04 -3.968795
50 1.588656e+04 -4.015991
51 2.000000e+04 -4.055811
52 2.517851e+04 -4.098894
53 3.169786e+04 -4.135608
54 3.990525e+04 -4.190248
55 5.023773e+04 -4.237104
56 6.324555e+04 -4.286103
57 7.962143e+04 -4.332090
58 1.002374e+05 -4.392748
59 1.261915e+05 -4.446233
60 1.588656e+05 -4.497845
61 2.000000e+05 -4.568541
62 2.517851e+05 -4.628460
63 3.169786e+05 -4.686546
64 3.990525e+05 -4.759202
65 5.023773e+05 -4.826938
66 6.324555e+05 -4.912130
67 7.962143e+05 -4.985855
68 1.002374e+06 -5.070668
69 1.261915e+06 -5.143341
70 1.588656e+06 -5.261585
71 2.000000e+06 -5.343636
72 2.517851e+06 -5.447189
73 3.169786e+06 -5.559962
74 3.990525e+06 -5.683828
75 5.023773e+06 -5.799319
76 6.324555e+06 -5.929599
77 7.962143e+06 -6.065907
78 1.002374e+07 -6.200967
79 1.261915e+07 -6.361633
80 1.588656e+07 -6.509538
81 2.000000e+07 -6.682960
82 2.517851e+07 -6.887793
83 3.169786e+07 -7.026138
84 3.990525e+07 -7.227990
85 5.023773e+07 -7.413960
86 6.324555e+07 -7.620247
87 7.962143e+07 -7.815754
88 1.002374e+08 -8.020447
89 1.261915e+08 -8.229911
90 1.588656e+08 -8.447927
91 2.000000e+08 -8.665613
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    Regressing x/y vs. x Plotting y vs. x for the low data and playing around a bit it seems that x/y is approximately linear in x so try regressing x/y against x which gives us a relationship based on only two parameters:

    y = x / (a + b * x)

    where a and b are the regression coefficients. 

    > lm(x / y ~ x, lo.data)

Call:
lm(formula = x/y ~ x, data = lo.data)

Coefficients:
(Intercept)            x  
    -0.1877      -0.3216

    MM.2 The above can be transformed into the MM.2 model in the drc R package. As seen below this model has a high R2. Also, we calculate the AIC which we can use to compare to other models (lower is better):

    > library(drc)
> fm.mm2 <- drm(y ~ x, data = lo.data, fct = MM.2())
> cor(fitted(fm.mm2), lo.data$y)^2
[1] 0.9986303
> AIC(fm.mm2)
[1] -535.7969

    CRS.6 This suggests we try a few other drc models and of the ones we tried CRS.6 has a particularly low AIC and seems to fit well visually:

    > fm.crs6 <- drm(y ~ x, data = lo.data, fct = CRS.6())
> AIC(fm.crs6)
[1] -942.7866
> plot(fm.crs6) # see output below

    This gives us a range of models we can use from the 2 parameter MM.2 model which is not as good as a fit (according to AIC) as the CRS.6 but still fits quite well and has the advantage of only two parameters or the 6 parameter CRS.6 model with its superior AIC. Note that AIC already penalizes models for having more parameters so having a better AIC is not a consequence of having more parameters.

    Other If its believed that both low and high should have the same model form then finding a single model form fitting both low and high well might be used as another criterion for picking a model form. In addition to the drc models, there are also some yield-density models in (2.1), (2.2), (2.3) and (2.4) of Akbar et al, IRJFE, 2010 which look similar to the MM.2 model which could be tried.

    screenshot

    UPDATED: reworked this around the drc package.

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