Question

How to prevent USER from doing automated posts/spam?

Here is my way of doing it, new php session for each page request, which has its own limitations, no multitabing.

I used new session for each page as defense against both CSRF and automated attacks. Lets say we have forum that uses AJAX to post threads and its validated by PHP SESSION.

add_answer.php?id=123

<?php
if(!is_ajax()){// function that determines whether the request is from ajax (http header stuff)
$_SESSION['token'] = md5(rand());
}
//some ajax request to ajax.php?id=123
?>

ajax.php?id=123

<?php
if($_SESSION['token'] == $_GET['token']){
echo 'MYSQL INSERT stuff';
}else{
echo 'Invalid Request';
}
?>

Every thing works fine until the user opens page.php?id=456 on another tab, the ajax returns ‘invalid request’ on ajax.php?id=123 This is related to another question I asked. They suggested to use only one session hash all the time, until he/she logs out – only then the session is regenerated. If the token is the same USER could simply bypass it and do the automated attacks. Any ideas on that?

Anyhow whats your way of preventing Automated AJAX attacks?

PS:

1. Dont torture users with captchas.
2. Google failed to show me something useful on this.
3. Take this as a challenge.
4. Or at least vote the answers of the experts which you think is brilliant way of doing this

Answer 1

It sounds like your objection to letting the session stay open as long as the browser is open is the issue of automated attacks. Unfortunately, refreshing the token on each page load only deters the most amateur attackers.

First, I assume we’re talking about attacks specifically targeted at your site. (If we’re talking about the bots that just roam around and submit various forms, not only would this not stop them, but there are far better and easier ways to do so.) If that’s the case, and I’m targeting my site, here’s what my bot would do:

1. Load form page.
2. Read token on form page.
3. Submit automated request with that token.
4. Go to step 1.

(Or, if I investigated your system enough, I’d realize that if I included the “this is AJAX” header on each request, I could keep one token forever. Or I’d realize that the token is my session ID, and send my own PHPSESSID cookie.)

This method of changing the token on each page load would do absolutely nothing to stop someone who actually wanted to attack you all that badly. Therefore, since the token has no effect on automation, focus on its effects on CSRF.

From the perspective of blocking CSRF, creating one token and maintaining it until the user closes the browser seems to accomplish all goals. Simple CSRF attacks are defeated, and the user is able to open multiple tabs.

TL;DR: Refreshing the token once on each request doesn’t boost security. Go for usability and do one token per session.

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However! If you’re extremely concerned about duplicate form submissions, accidental or otherwise, this issue can still easily be resolved. The answer is simple: use two tokens for two different jobs.

The first token will stay the same until the browser session ends. This token exists to prevent CSRF attacks. Any submission from this user with this token will be accepted.

The second token will be uniquely generated for each form loaded, and will be stored in a list in the user’s session data of open form tokens. This token is unique and is invalidated once it is used. Submissions from this user with this token will be accepted once and only once.

This way, if I open a tab to Form A and a tab to Form B, each one has my personal anti-CSRF token (CSRF taken care of), and my one-time form token (form resubmission taken care of). Both issues are resolved without any ill effect on the user experience.

Of course, you may decide that that’s too much to implement for such a simple feature. I think it is, anyway. Regardless, a solid solution exists if you want it.