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Asked: June 15, 20262026-06-15T12:36:22+00:00 2026-06-15T12:36:22+00:00

I couldn’t understand the Y-combinator, so I tried to implement a function that enabled

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I couldn’t understand the Y-combinator, so I tried to implement a function that enabled recursion without native implementation. After some thinking, I ended up with this:

Y = λx.(λv.(x x) v)

Which is shorter than the actual one:

Y = λf.(λx.f (x x)) (λx.f (x x))

And, for my surprise, worked. Some examples:

// JavaScript
Y = function(x){
  return function(v){
    return x(x, v);
  };
};
sum = Y(function(f, n){
  return n == 0 ? 0 : n + f(f, n - 1);
});
sum(4);

; Scheme
(define Y (lambda (x) (lambda (v) (x x v))))
(define sum (Y 
    (lambda (f n) 
        (if (equal? n 0) 
            0 
            (+ n (f f (- n 1)))))))
(sum 4)

Both snippets output 10 (summation from 0 to 4) as expected.

What is this, why it is shorter and why we prefer the longer version?

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    2026-06-15T12:36:23+00:00Added an answer on June 15, 2026 at 12:36 pm

    The reason it is shorter is that what you implemented is not the Y combinator. It’s something that is between the actual Y combinator, and something that is sometimes known as a U combinator. To be a proper Y combinator, this should work:

    (define sum
      (Y (lambda (f)
           (lambda (v) (if (equal? n 0) 0 (+ n (f (- n 1))))))))
    

    or in Javascript:

    sum = Y( function(f) { return function(n) {
      return n == 0 ? 0 : n + f(n-1);
    };});
    

    If you work your way to something that makes that work, you’ll find that one thing that will make it longer is that you need to move the duplicated f thing into the Y, and the next thing that makes it even longer is when you end up protecting the x x self-application inside a function since these language are strict.

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