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Asked: May 14, 20262026-05-14T21:57:04+00:00 2026-05-14T21:57:04+00:00

I do not really know if this is scientifically proven, but I’ve read in

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I do not really know if this is scientifically proven, but I’ve read in a book (It was a relatively modern AI book by Peter Norvig) that second-order logical programming could be more expressive than existing first-order languages.

The question is: Is it statistically/symbolically proven that higher-order predicate logics exceed first-order predicates in their expressive power? Or they just bring the modularity/convenience/maintainability to your knowledge bases?

Additionally: If there is some kind of firm direction in which I could go seeking more expressive power than I have (I mean exactly the descriptive potential of the symbols I write in given semantics/syntax) – then I would be glad to hear just almost everything 🙂

Thank you.

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    2026-05-14T21:57:05+00:00Added an answer on May 14, 2026 at 9:57 pm

    Second order logic is more powerful and expressive than first order logic. Second order logic allows one to quantify over relations in addition to variables; thus it is possible, using a single sentence of second order logic, to express something that would require an infinite number of first order logic sentences. The relationship is similar to that between FOL and propositional logic.

    As an example, consider the SOL statement:

    \forall R \exists x \exists y (x R y)
    

    This states that for any relation R there are x and y such that x R y holds. In order to express this in FOL, one would need a statement for each relation R in the language, which clearly could be infinite.

    For a more interesting example, one could look at the proof that the transitive closure of a relation is not expressible in FOL. I can post it if you want to see it; but for the sake of succinctness I will omit it unless someone wants it.

    Edit: You may also be interested in Descriptive Complexity — essentially, it ties together the notions of complexity and expressibility — if you can fully state a problem in a certain fragment of logic, then you know it is contained within the corresponding complexity class. For example, if a problem can be stated in Existential Second Order Logic, then it’s in NP; if it can be stated in First Order Logic + a Least Fixed Point operator, then it’s in P. If you can show that every statement of existential second order logic can be translated to FOL(LFP), then you’ve proven P=NP. (well, you’ve proven NP\subset P, but since the other containment is already known, you’ve proven equality…)

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