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Asked: May 13, 20262026-05-13T09:44:13+00:00 2026-05-13T09:44:13+00:00

I need a way to represent existential relations in a database. For instance I

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I need a way to represent existential relations in a database. For instance I have a bio-historical table (i.e. a family tree) that stores a parent id and a child id which are foreign keys to a people table. This table is used to describe arbitrary family relationships. Thus I’d like to be able to say that X and Y are siblings without having to know exactly who the parents of X and Y are. I just want to be able to say that there exists two different people A and B such that A and B are each parents of X and Y. Once I do know who A and/or B are I’d need to be able to reconcile them.

The simplest solution I can think of is to store existential people with negative integer user ids. Once I know who the people are, I’d need to cascade update all of the IDs. Are there any well-known techniques for this?

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    2026-05-13T09:44:13+00:00Added an answer on May 13, 2026 at 9:44 am

    Does existential mean “non existant”?

    They don’t have to be negative. You could just add a record to People table with no last/first name and perhaps a flag “unknown person”. Or existential if you like.

    Then when you know something (e.g. like last name but not first) you update this record.

    Reconciling duplicate people could be more difficult. I guess you could just update FamilyTree set parent_id=new_id where parent_id=old_id, etc. But this means for instance that the same person could end up with too many parents, so you’ll need to perform a number of complex checks before doing that.

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