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Asked: May 18, 20262026-05-18T00:41:43+00:00 2026-05-18T00:41:43+00:00

I’m having a problem moving from a situation where an Outer Join works, to

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I’m having a problem moving from a situation where an Outer Join works, to where it fails.

Working (pseudo code example)

SELECT a.number, a.name, b.ref, c.ref, c.firmref
FROM jobs a, teams b LEFT OUTER JOIN teamfirms c ON b.ref = c.team
WHERE a.ref = b.job

There is a many to one relationship between jobs and teams (many teams per job) that is always populated

There may or may not be firms in table c, but the query above gives me the result I would expect (approx 5000 records)

The problem comes when I want to bring in the details about the teams from a fourth table

The code I am trying is below

SELECT a.number, a.name, b.ref, c.ref, c.firmref, d.name
FROM jobs a, teams b LEFT OUTER JOIN teamfirms c ON b.ref = c.team, firms d
WHERE a.ref = b.job
AND d.ref = c.firmref

At this point the NULLS that I am trying to capture disappear and I drop approx 500 records

What am I doing wrong?

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    2026-05-18T00:41:43+00:00Added an answer on May 18, 2026 at 12:41 am

    take a whack at this.

    select a.number, a.name, b.ref, c.ref, c.firmref, d.name
    from jobs a left outer join teams b on b.job = a.ref
    left outer join teamfirms c on b.ref = c.team
    left outer join firms d on c.firmref = d.ref
    left outer join table e on a.column = e.column
    

    or you could do

    select a.number, a.name, b.ref, c.ref, c.firmref, d.name
    from
    jobs a, teams b, teamfirms c, firms d
    where
    a.ref = b.job
    and b.ref = c.team
    and c.firmref = d.ref
    

    one or the other… not both.

    Just to throw this in for good measure…

    You use INNER JOIN to return all rows
    from both tables where there is a
    match. ie. in the resulting table all
    the rows and colums will have values.

    LEFT OUTER JOIN returns all the rows
    from the first table, even if there
    are no matches in the second table.

    RIGHT OUTER JOIN returns all the rows
    from the second table, even if there
    are no matches in the first table.

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