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Asked: 2026-05-13T11:26:22+00:00

Internet Explorer 8 has a new security feature, an XSS filter that tries to

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Internet Explorer 8 has a new security feature, an XSS filter that tries to intercept cross-site scripting attempts. It’s described this way:

The XSS Filter, a feature new to Internet Explorer 8, detects JavaScript in URL and HTTP POST requests. If JavaScript is detected, the XSS Filter searches evidence of reflection, information that would be returned to the attacking Web site if the attacking request were submitted unchanged. If reflection is detected, the XSS Filter sanitizes the original request so that the additional JavaScript cannot be executed.

I’m finding that the XSS filter kicks in even when there’s no “evidence of reflection”, and am starting to think that the filter simply notices when a request is made to another site and the response contains JavaScript.

But even that is hard to verify because the effect seems to come and go. IE has different zones, and just when I think I’ve reproduced the problem, the filter doesn’t kick in anymore, and I don’t know why.

Anyone have any tips on how to combat this? What is the filter really looking for? Is there any way for a good-guy to POST data to a 3rd-party site which can return HTML to be displayed in an iframe and not trigger the filter?

Background: I’m loading a JavaScript library from a 3rd-party site. That JavaScript harvests some data from the current HTML page, and posts it to the 3rd-party site, which responds with some HTML to be displayed in an iframe. To see it in action, visit an AOL Food page and click the “Print” icon just above the story.

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    What does it really do? It allows third parties to link to a messed-up version of your site.

    It kicks in when [a few conditions are met and] it sees a string in the query submission that also exists verbatim in the page, and which it thinks might be dangerous.

    It assumes that if <script>something()</script> exists in both the query string and the page code, then it must be because your server-side script is insecure and reflected that string straight back out as markup without escaping.

    But of course apart from the fact that’s it’s a perfectly valid query someone might have typed that matches by coincidence, it’s also just as possible that they match because someone looked at the page and deliberately copied part of it out. For example:

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=%3Cscript+type%3D%22text%2Fjavascript%22%3E

    Follow that in IE8 and I’ve successfully sabotaged your Bing page so it’ll give script errors, and the pop-out result bits won’t work. Essentially it gives an attacker whose link is being followed license to pick out and disable parts of the page he doesn’t like — and that might even include other security-related measures like framebuster scripts.

    What does IE8 consider ‘potentially dangerous’? A lot more and a lot stranger things than just this script tag. eg. What’s more, it appears to match against a set of ‘dangerous’ templates using a text pattern system (presumably regex), instead of any kind of HTML parser like the one that will eventually parse the page itself. Yes, use IE8 and your browser is pařṣinͅg HT̈́͜ML w̧̼̜it̏̔h ͙r̿e̴̬g̉̆e͎x͍͔̑̃̽̚.

    ‘XSS protection’ by looking at the strings in the query is utterly bogus. It can’t be ‘fixed’; the very concept is intrinsically flawed. Apart from the problem of stepping in when it’s not wanted, it can’t ever really protect you from anything but the most basic attacks — and the attackers will surely workaround such blocks as IE8 becomes more widely used. If you’ve been forgetting to escape your HTML output correctly you’ll still be vulnerable; all XSS “protection” has to offer you is a false sense of security. Unfortunately Microsoft seem to like this false sense of security; there is similar XSS “protection” in ASP.NET too, on the server side.

    So if you’ve got a clue about webapp authoring and you’ve been properly escaping output to HTML like a good boy, it’s definitely a good idea to disable this unwanted, unworkable, wrong-headed intrusion by outputting the header:

    X-XSS-Protection: 0

    in your HTTP responses. (And using ValidateRequest="false" in your pages if you’re using ASP.NET.)

    For everyone else, who still slings strings together in PHP without taking care to encode properly… well you might as well leave it on. Don’t expect it to actually protect your users, but your site is already broken, so who cares if it breaks a little more, right?

    To see it in action, visit an AOL Food page and click the “Print” icon just above the story.

    Ah yes, I can see this breaking in IE8. Not immediately obvious where IE has made the hack to the content that’s stopped it executing though… the only cross-domain request I can see that’s a candidate for the XSS filter is this one to http://h30405.www3.hp.com/print/start:

    POST /print/start HTTP/1.1
Host: h30405.www3.hp.com
Referer: http://recipe.aol.com/recipe/oatmeal-butter-cookies/142275?

csrfmiddlewaretoken=undefined&characterset=utf-8&location=http%253A%2F%2Frecipe.aol.com%2Frecipe%2Foatmeal-butter-cookies%2F142275&template=recipe&blocks=Dd%3Do%7Efsp%7E%7B%3D%25%3F%3D%3C%28%2B.%2F%2C%28%3D3%3F%3D%7Dsp%7Ct@kfoz%3D%25%3F%3D%7E%7C%7Czqk%7Cpspm%3Db3%3Fd%3Do%7Efsp%7E%7B%3D%25%3F%3D%3C%7D%2F%27%2B%2C.%3D3%3F%3D%7Dsp%7Ct@kfoz%3D%25%3F%3D%7E%7C%7Czqk...

    that blocks parameter continues with pages more gibberish. Presumably there is something there that (by coincidence?) is reflected in the returned HTML and triggers one of IE8’s messed up ideas of what an XSS exploit looks like.

    To fix this, HP need to make the server at h30405.www3.hp.com include the X-XSS-Protection: 0 header.

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