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Asked: May 15, 20262026-05-15T00:56:50+00:00 2026-05-15T00:56:50+00:00

Perhaps I am missing something, but I can’t explain this from any IE bug

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Perhaps I am missing something, but I can’t explain this from any IE bug I know of. Why in this example do the margins of the <p> and <hr> elements collapse as expected in standards compliant browsers (i.e. FF3, IE8, etc) but not in IE7 (including IE8 compatibility mode)?

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" >
<head>
    <title>IE7 Box Model</title>

    <style type="text/css">

        p {
            border: 1px solid #00f;
            background-color: #fefecb;
            margin: 20x 0 20px 0;
            }

        hr {
            margin: 20px 0 20px 0;
            }

    </style>

</head>
<body>
    <p>
        box 1
    </p>
    <hr />
    <p>
        box 2
    </p>
    <hr />
    <p>
        box 3
    </p>

</body>
</html>
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    2026-05-15T00:56:51+00:00Added an answer on May 15, 2026 at 12:56 am

    This is related to the hasLayout bug. Here’s an extract of relevance:

    Margin collapsing

    The hasLayout MS-property affects the
    collapsing of margins between a box
    and its descendants. According to the
    spec the top margin of a box with no
    top padding and no top border should
    collapse with the top margin of its
    first in-flow block-level child:

    • Collapsing Margins
    • Uncollapsing Margins

    In IE/Win this never happens when the
    box has layout: it seems that layout
    prevents the margins of the children
    to stick out of the containing box.
    Moreover when hasLayout is true,
    either on the container or on the
    child, other wrong margins
    computations show up:

    • Margin collapsing and hasLayout

    The best solution is simple but maybe drastic on existing designs: set margins on block elements to 0 and use padding instead so that it’s consistent across the browsers. Paddings won’t collapse.

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