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Asked: May 15, 20262026-05-15T03:57:51+00:00 2026-05-15T03:57:51+00:00

Sometimes, C++’s notion of privacy just baffles me :-) class Foo { struct Bar;

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Sometimes, C++’s notion of privacy just baffles me 🙂

class Foo
{
    struct Bar;
    Bar* p;

public:

    Bar* operator->() const
    {
        return p;
    }
};

struct Foo::Bar
{
    void baz()
    {
        std::cout << "inside baz\n";
    }
};

int main()
{
    Foo::Bar b;   // error: 'struct Foo::Bar' is private within this context

    Foo f;
    f->baz();     // fine
}

Since Foo::Bar is private, I cannot declare b in main. Yet I can call methods from Foo::Bar just fine. Why the hell is this allowed? Was that an accident or by design?


Oh wait, it gets better:

Foo f;
auto x = f.operator->();   // :-)
x->baz();

Even though I am not allowed to name the type Foo::Bar, it works just fine with auto…


Noah wrote:

type names defined within a class definition cannot be used outside their class without qualification.

Just for fun, here is how you can get at the type from outside:

#include <type_traits>

const Foo some_foo();

typedef typename std::remove_pointer<decltype( some_foo().operator->() )>::type Foo_Bar;
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    2026-05-15T03:57:51+00:00Added an answer on May 15, 2026 at 3:57 am

    Trying to find anything in the standard that would spell it out in detail but I can’t. The only thing I can find is 9.9:

    Type names obey exactly the same scope rules as other names. In particular, type names defined within a class definition cannot be used outside their class without qualification.

    Essentially, the name of Foo::Bar is private to Foo, not the definition. Thus you can use Bars outside of Foo, you just can’t refer to them by type since that name is private.

    The name lookup rules for members would also seem to have some effect on this. I don’t see anything that specifically references “nested class” and thus they wouldn’t be allowed to (if my lack of finding anything in fact is because it’s not there).

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