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Asked: May 10, 20262026-05-10T17:16:14+00:00 2026-05-10T17:16:14+00:00

The expressiveness of the query languages (QL) provided with ORMs can be very powerful.

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The expressiveness of the query languages (QL) provided with ORMs can be very powerful. Unfortunately, once you have a fleet of complex queries, and then some puzzling schema or data problem arises, it is very difficult to enlist the DBA help that you need? Here they are, part of the team that is evolving the database, yet they can’t read the application QL, much less suggest modifications. I generally end up grabbing generated SQL out of the log for them. But then when they recommend changes to it, how does that relate to the original QL? The process is not round-trip.

So after a decade of promoting the value of ORMs, I am now wondering if I should be writing my SQL manually. And maybe all that I really want the framework to do is automate the data marshaling as much as possible.

Question: Have you found a way to deal with the round-trip issue in your organization? Is there a SQL-marshaling framework that scales well, and maintains easily?

(Yes, I know that pure SQL might bind me to the database vendor. But it is possible to write standards-compliant SQL.)

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  1. 2026-05-10T17:16:15+00:00Added an answer on May 10, 2026 at 5:16 pm

    I think that what you want is a solution that maximizes the benefits of ORM without preventing you using other means. We have much the same issue as you do in our application; very heavy queries, and a large data model. Given the size of the data model, ORM is invaluable for the vast majority of the application. It allows us to extend the data model without having to go to a great deal of effort hand-maintaining SQL scripts. Moreover, and you touched on this, we support four database vendors, so the abstraction is nice.

    However, there are instances where we’ve had to tune the queries manually, and since we chose a flexible ORM solution, we can do that too. As you say, it gets out of our way when we need it gone, and simply marshals objects for us.

    So, in short (yep, short) yes, ORM is worth it, but like every solution to a problem, it’s not a panacea.

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