Question

Before overwriting data in a file, I would like to be pretty sure the old data is stored on disk. It’s potentially a very big file (multiple GB), so in-place updates are needed. Usually writes will be 2 MB or larger (my plan is to use a block size of 4 KB).

Instead of (or in addition to) calling fsync(), I would like to retain (not overwrite) old data on disk until the file system has written the new data. The main reasons why I don’t want to rely on fsync() is: most hard disks lie to you about doing an fsync.

So what I’m looking for is what is the typical maximum delay for a file system, operating system (for example Windows), hard drive until data is written to disk, without using fsync or similar methods. I would like to have real-world numbers if possible. I’m not looking for advice to use fsync.

I know there is no 100% reliable way to do it, but I would like to better understand how operating systems and file systems work in this regard.

What I found so far is: 30 seconds is / was the default for /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centiseconds. Then “dirty pages are flushed (written) to disk … (when) too much time has elapsed since a page has stayed dirty” (but there I couldn’t find the default time). So for Linux, 40 seconds seems to be on the safe side. But is this true for all file systems / disks? What about Windows, Android, and so on? I would like to get an answer that applies to all common operating systems / file system / disk types, including Windows, Android, regular hard disks, SSDs, and so on.

Answer 1

Let me restate this your problem in only slightly-uncharitable terms: You’re trying to control the behavior of a physical device which its driver in the operating system cannot control. What you’re trying to do seems impossible, if what you want is an actual guarantee, rather than a pretty good guess. If all you want is a pretty good guess, fine, but beware of this and document accordingly.

You might be able to solve this with the right device driver. The SCSI protocol, for example, has a Force Unit Access (FUA) bit in its READ and WRITE commands that instructs the device to bypass any internal cache. Even if the data were originally written buffered, reading unbuffered should be able to verify that it was actually there.